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Old 11-08-2018, 03:55 PM   #11
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:16 PM   #14
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I feel JM should totally focus on developing the existing players to their full potentials. And he should also pick up his skills on man management.
The post match interview, he was still hinting and begrudging that he was not supported in terms of signing new players. Why even begrudge that Leicester spend more on the transfer market.
Even in praising Shaw, he still felt it necessary to add a "pinch of salt" by saying that Shaw made one mistake. He could have done this behind close doors!!!
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:24 PM   #15
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Bro Lenghan, think a leopard never changes his spot and with JM, these 2 years+, he's behaving not too bad liao.

As a fans, let's just support the team and see where we'll get to end of season. Let 'nature' take it's course...If he fails, he'll sure to be gone.

Let's sit back, support the team and enjoy the game.

Given the circumstances, I did this morning
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:01 PM   #16
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Great to see Shaw scored hope he continues to improve.

Another player thta I hope will get better as the season progresses will be Pererira. Love the free kick he scored against Liverpool with the goalie rooted to the spot though we lost 4-1 in that friendly

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Old 11-08-2018, 07:46 PM   #17
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A good read and somewhat true on points that the previous managers screwed up big time ...


Manchester United: Mourinho suffering the consequences of decisions by predecessors


Peter Schmeichel and Ryan Giggs were watching Manchester United vs Leicester City as pundits yesterday. United won the match against the foxes with a typical, gritty Jose Mourinho performance led by the irrepressible Paul Pogba and capped off by a surprisingly adept finish by Luke Shaw.

However, even as the doom and gloom over Old Trafford were lifted ever so slightly by the customary a United win, it was interesting to listen to the words of ex-United players. Schmeichel lamented the loss of “tradition.” Giggs talked about the importance of developing young players and expressed his surprise at the Mourinho’s mood on the United’s tour to the USA. He contrasted it with Guardiola’s upbeat comments about playing youngsters at City.

Both United legends were providing constructive criticism for the red side of Manchester. But, laying the blame on Jose Mourinho for the loss of traditions and non-development of young players is easy and opportunistic. It is also a black-and-white analysis of a grey situation.

Even Ed Woodward, despite his mixed results in the transfer window, is not fully responsible. The malaise at United dates back to the actions of David Moyes and Louis Van Gaal. Specifically with respect to the alienation of senior players under Moyes, the removal of the club’s character and spirit under Van Gaal and the false perception created by the Dutchman of a thriving United youth setup.

David Moyes came to United with the intention of being his own man. He wanted to bring about drastic changes at a club which had been consistently winning since the Premier League began. Furthermore, a key point forgotten is that, before Moyes, no matter what team United played, no matter what the skill or talent level of the players, the team always gave its all. The old school mentality at United was that irrespective of the quality of performance a player was having, he always gave his full effort. Even if the passes were not sticking, a United player was always trying. Scholes’s comeback from struggles during the 2002 season and Ferdinand’s Indian summer in the 2012-13 season were classic examples of players efforts being consistent despite inconsistent form.

The ‘putting in 100% effort 100% of the time’ mentality at United was a tradition that stemmed from Sir Alex Ferguson. It was part of the culture passed on to every generation of players through senior players. With the arrival of David Moyes, things changed drastically. The United coaching staff was wiped out, replaced by a team from Everton. Club stalwarts such as Ferdinand and Vidic were alienated by being asked to learn from Phil Jagielka. The consequence was the loss of the “100% effort” mentality as players, who were spreading that culture, were disgruntled.

Then in 2014, Moyes was replaced with Van Gaal. With all due respect to the Dutchman’s achievements, there are two couple of myths about his spell at United that need to be dispensed with.

Firstly, he is supposed to have made disastrous signings, which is an oversimplification. Van Gaal signed some brilliant players and some average ones. The problem was with the attitude of the players. Irrespective of their level of skill or talent, either they did not have that affinity to Manchester United football club, or were weighed down by expectations. In both cases, the “100% effort” was missing. For example, Bastian Schweinsteiger may have been on a downward trajectory as a footballer when he played for United, but, to the casual observer, the effort he put in while playing for United was nowhere near his efforts when he played for Bayern Munich or his national team. To compound it all, Van Gaal moved out the players who truly put in the hard yards such as Chicharito and Welbeck. The Dutchman accelerated the loss of “100% effort” mentality at the club.

Secondly, Louis Van Gaal is supposed to have championed the youth. This myth came about when he was giving debuts to many players from the youth team. Van Gaal was not giving opportunities to the likes of Rashford because he desired to. He gave opportunities because he was forced to. Against FC Midtjylland, Rashford was first drafted on the bench because the promising striker in the under-23s, Will Keane had suffered an injury. He then got his chance to play because Anthony Martial got injured in the warm-up. Rashford and many others were drafted into the team because of a raft of injuries that decimated an expensively assembled squad. Even Rene Meulensteen, Ferguson’s assistant opined that Van Gaal had been forced to play the youngsters.

The issue with Van Gaal’s supposed championing of youth is that it has created a perception of United having a brilliant set of young players who are not being ‘developed’ by Jose Mourinho. The Portuguese manager is painted as the guy who wants short-term fixes. United’s executive vice-chairman, Ed Woodward is thinking more “long-term” and wants Mourinho to improve the players he already has. The issue with that thought-process is twofold.

Manchester City v Liverpool - Premier League
Leaders such as Steven Gerrard and Vincent Kompany play a huge role in setting the example at a club
Firstly, player improvement is not only due to the manager. Leaders and characters in the squad also play an important role in setting an example. Manchester City had Yaya Toure, Zabaleta and Kompany for a long period of time. Kompany is still there to inspire. Chelsea had Terry and Lampard. Liverpool had Gerrard and Carragher.

Secondly, some of the young players, at least according to Mourinho, are not good enough. When Mourinho is saying “not good enough”, he is talking about the combination of talent and attitude.

United fans have been divided over United’s perceived lack of support for their manager. According to this author, neither Mourinho and Woodward are to blame. Mourinho seems to be surprised by the “lack of mental strength” in some of his players. His perception of his current squad is the result of the actions of his predecessors. The lack of effort on part of the players can be traced back to decisions made by Moyes and Van Gaal. Except for Paul Pogba, he does not have vocal leaders in the team. His desire to sign a ready-made, world-class centre-back can be traced back to lack of leadership in United’s defense bring that old-fashioned “effort” back to his squad.

On the other hand, the club’s hierarchy has had their hands constantly burned by providing full backing to their managers. Thanks to backing given to Moyes and Van Gaal, United ended up losing loyal players such as Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand, Welbeck, Chicharito, Jonny Evans, Darren Fletcher. The club replaced them with players such as Rojo, Blind, Di Maria, Martial, Schneiderlin, et al. The replacements may have had greater talent in certain cases, but their commitment to the United cause was not the same. In some cases, they were encumbered by the weight of the United jersey. United needed to sign more players like Ander Herrera, who may be limited in ability but are proud to play for the club. Unfortunately, the majority of the signings ended up being more like Schweinsteiger, and less like Ander Herrera.

Furthermore, Van Gaal’s “encouragement” of younger players seems to have caused Ed Woodward to believe that United already have a lot of talent in the youth team. To give context, United’s under-23s were relegated. Mourinho was not moaning when he said that. He was giving a fact. Furthermore, except for the class of 92, United did not have a raft of young players being drafted into the squad every year. The youth system is strong because it produces one or two good prospects every season with the potential to break into the first team. Potential does not imply confirmation. Unfortunately, that is the myth that fans (and apparently Ed Woodward) have come to expect from United.

Jose Mourinho is disillusioned by the present and the future at the ‘Theatre of Dreams’, while Ed Woodward is scarred by the past. The result is a mess at England’s most decorated football club. David Moyes and Louis Van Gaal may be gone, but their decisions are still haunting Manchester United football club.

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:45 PM   #18
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This is like a man who has many girl friends.

His earlier girl friends were always exciting but sometimes got into trouble being too adventurous on occasions.

One day he got this girl friend who eventually turned out great. This girl friend stayed with him for 20 plus years. One day, this girl decided to leave for good. The man was devastated but eventually accepted it.

The man then tried to find the same type of girl. The first one was so boring and negative and was soon gone.

The next one was so possessive and wanted everything in place. This one left after sometime.

The current one is experienced but sometime talks and behaves too negatively.

The man is still pining for this girl friend of 20 plus years and her style.

This man should get over it and accept each new girl friend has her own style. And the man's friends are not helping the situation by still reminding him of this girl friend and her exciting style and lamenting at the new girl friends whom they feel are not up to standard and lacking something or other.

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Old 11-08-2018, 10:47 PM   #19
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Can tell that Mou is not a likeable manager.
From the ways he managed the players seem can better.
For sure its not easy to forge succeess from AF.
And run united with "hairdryer" style he is way behind.
Agreed with bro saying, as supporter we shall sit back and enjoy every match. GGMU😃
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Old 12-08-2018, 01:26 AM   #20
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Can tell that Mou is not a likeable manager.
From the ways he managed the players seem can better.
For sure its not easy to forge succeess from AF.
And run united with "hairdryer" style he is way behind.
Agreed with bro saying, as supporter we shall sit back and enjoy every match. GGMU😃
Fully agree that as die-hard supporter we should just try to relax, sit back, and enjoy our team's play.
Haha...but at times damn difficult to tolerate the way JM man-manage his players, looking like he is simply out to destroy their future
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