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Old 03-10-2014, 09:38 PM   #1
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Default BD identification poster

Hello i am working on a poster of bd indetification characteritics. Is all the information correct? Do you have tips or comments for improvement of the poster? <br/>
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Old 04-10-2014, 01:29 AM   #2
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TS , so this poster is your creation?

Pardon me to ask afew question?

How short is consider short tail?

Is paddle or flag tail the same?

The underbelly spotting if without , isit still consider a BD?

If clasper no spot , so it's not a BD?

Grey pups not a BD ? As it is not "very very dark"

Pardon me for asking these question with no offence as I am really hoping to clear my doubt .. Appriciate to hear your views.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 04-10-2014, 02:36 AM   #3
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What u proposed if all ray keepers agree can be a set of competition guidelines for p13 . Go try breeding and see the variation u get within the same batch and across diff batches.

Thats assuming we using bd male and female that meet the above so called proposed criteria in the first place for breeding.

Nonetheless...spots on claspers is really something new..i believe the taiwanese will be laughing their heads off.

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Old 04-10-2014, 08:51 AM   #4
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On the contrary , I am not against doing a poster for these top range p13 and term them Black Diamond.

Just that the message across should be they ( BD ) , should have these characteristic and NOT they (BD) must have all these characteristic .

And perhaps like what TS wish to know, certain more detail info on each point should come in the poster before confusing some.
Eg - black base when adulthood . Continuous double perimeter ring, optional underbelly spotting etc

Please read this as a topic as a discussion to " Brand" the term BD and not that I am against it.

The above just my personal views only.

Thank you.

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Old 04-10-2014, 09:45 AM   #5
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If male bd claspers must have white spots than female abalone should have white spots too..
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Old 04-10-2014, 11:08 AM   #6
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This poster is produced by a overseas commercial breeder? www.stingrayfarm.com?
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:06 AM   #7
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I have never breed black diamonds. I just make a poster for a friend. I only ask your advice to make the poster better. I have read alot on the net. Thats my only source of information. If you do not agree with the poster please tell me what to change
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:11 AM   #8
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I have never breed black diamonds. I just make a poster for a friend. I only ask your advice to make the poster better. I have read alot on the net. Thats my only source of information. If you do not agree with the poster please tell me what to change
You should ask for this information from your breeder friend since he is breeding maybe ask him what I ask you too..
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:08 AM   #9
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With your proffesional advice i will update the poster and make a better one. The farm does not exist its just a website
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:28 PM   #10
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No one here and just about every breeder in this world is professional nor in authority to describe a "BD". Only Biologist who study the DNA of the fish can. Till now... BDs are described as a P13 Varient. That's all. In essence it's still just a P13 until fully classified by biologists as otherwise.
Right on target !! I concur with your view truly ...many thanks for reading my mind too.

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I have never breed black diamonds. I just make a poster for a friend. I only ask your advice to make the poster better. I have read alot on the net. Thats my only source of information. If you do not agree with the poster please tell me what to change
Pardon me for being abit blunt initially , we are aware that your action of doing up a poster is for the good of all hobbyist as reference .

But just that the poster seems already done and circulated i(Eg other forumn ) , this make me wonder what exactly it's message is trying to convey to all?

I must reiterate that you have all your rights to post what you want, just that I hope informations should not mislead others, that's all.

Let us maybe take this thread to contribute how best we could describe a "high quality P13" that eventually can be recognised as your term "Black Diamond" .

But again , emphasising that "NOT All BDs have all these feature in that 1 fish is as important".

Like I state the greyish pup is not "dark dark black" until adulthood, and putting the word "optional underbelly spotting" may be as good.

Just my personal view again.

Thanks for effort done anyhow.

Simon

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With your proffesional advice i will update the poster and make a better one. The farm does not exist its just a website
Thanks for updates .

Simon

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