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07-01-2016, 03:07 PM | #81 |
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One thing worth noting is that ammonia is a chemical secreted in large quantities by fish, and is something our biological filters are specialized in removing. I believe the quantity generated by the dechlorination process is miniscule compared to that excreted by hungry fish.
In any case, I feed my dechlorinated water into the pump chamber preceding the shower and let the BB in the shower deal with the ammonia. |
07-01-2016, 04:02 PM | #82 |
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Wow... Thks bro Shermie and DragonFireSG. Good info...
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07-01-2016, 05:58 PM | #83 |
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Shermie,
Yes I agree to what you say, different fish have different tolerance to ammonia. And over crowding of course is out of question that will definitely be bad even with a good filtration running. Going back to what we discuss about WC that cause immediate sudden death to healthy fish which should be continue living without the WC and ammonia spike is the cause of the death because of certain poor AC used is kind of debatable. DragonFireSG mentioned the ammonia produced by the fish alone is much more than the ammonia spike produced by the breaking down of chloromine. Not forgetting beside people keeping fish with just air stone some also treat the sick fish in hospital tank without filter and the fish still alive with the ammonia and medication stressing the fish, and seller bag and transport sardine packed fishes what is the ammonia spike in the bag about at what level? I think ammonia spike would cause death in at least days, but not minutes or hours. Some question on the toxic Ammonia that fish keeper are fearful of. We know that Ammonia (NH3) exists in gaseous form at room temp, same as oxygen and CO2. How does it gets in and out of the water are through gaseous exchange on water surface. So if we do a lot of bubbling or create falling or moving water ammonia should be able to escape from the water and cause less harm to the fishes (providing ammonia stays at NH3, and not NH4+, when pH > 7), right? I think that could be the reason why tank setup without a filtration with good water movement fish can still survive (providing no overcrowding of course). |
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for most of us, we wont lose fish instantly, but rather notice our fish breathing a lot heavier than normal. to a ray keeper that's enough to make one panic lol. if one has good filtration then dmg should be minimal although why would we want to place our fish under undue stress? if one doesnt have good filtration, then it becomes a way more serious issue even if it doesnt kill instantly. Quote:
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08-01-2016, 10:01 PM | #85 |
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08-01-2016, 10:19 PM | #86 |
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I believed Bro Shermie had given us v detailed info on what is AC & wat AC does. I had printed out all those info Bro Shermie showed many months back & read over again many times.
In fish keeping, there will always be diff gp of pple believing in diff theories. eg, some ang moh oversea state that doing wc is bullshit & a mktg gimmick, some think other wise. But there r not comparison in what fishes they r keeping........etc. Stating a real eg, my frd ray farm in LIM CHU KANG uses tap water directly without using AC & rays r doing ok. So can we conclude that rays no need AC? If one does conclude to be so, then too bad, u r putting lots of rays in danger. The reason y the rays there r doing ok becos the lvl of cholrine there is super low, 0.000 something % only. This was the test result send by a farm there. Don ask me y that is so, ask the garment. Maybe the area is agriculture land. But we cannot be assured that PUB will not increase the amt of chlorine anytime, so pls don take this article as a guarantee. As I had mentioned earlier, there r always many diff reasons behind many things& don just take the surface & give conclusion, u will put lots of fishes in danger. I strongly believe that we r here to provide our sincere advise & share our knowledge like bro Shermie, but I am sure some will not be convinced due to diff believes like thinking that it maybe a mktg gicmmick, hv hidden agenda, wan make $, etc. NO worries, if wat u r doing now wks, just cont to do it & need not take the discussion into consideration at all. For those that always hv issues, read with an open mind & try the advises given when ready. I had met pple whom r v sturbborn & don believe in wat I recommended cos their only thinkg is I wan make $$ fr them. Such pple, we respect & just move away end story. Pple willing to learn, I willing to share. Keep it simple everyone happy. Oh 1 last thing, pls don ask us to show how ammonia was get rid using chemical so to convince & prove to everyone. I myself had threw this qn to the scientist, the ans is: The formula is patented and kept within the company. If u wan to know, pls buy over the company. And lastly, he said, even if I tell u, do u think u can understand? So wat i did with bro shalabin stated in my AC thread, test the ammonia tainted water after every dose of ac. U will get the ans. BTW pls do properly 2 sets with same standard using 2 ac for comparison. |
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So am I right to say I am so stupid to pump in ammonia toxic water to my rays? Last time b4 AST was imported, I didnt read so much abt AC just trusted wat was strongly recommended in AF. So wat I did last time was completely wrong right? I was thinkg aging the water for few days will be even better. Now doing the same thing with AST no issue. so I want to clarify & learn wats the cos....... Last edited by Tay; 12-01-2016 at 12:08 AM. |
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Ast I can't find any info on how long it lasts so no idea. |
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