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Old 18-12-2008, 03:21 PM   #21
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Thanks for the great write up.

i remember Michael's ponds. pristine clear water (and the HUGE black rays).

I was amazed at how clean everything was... and did ask how he clean his ponds.

now i get it. part of the secret lies in the chem processes.

but there's this part that disturbs me some what.


Would that imply that the importance of clorine removal chems has been overated?
As in we should not overdose on clorine removal chems to have a certain amt of clorine in our waters, in order to increase the ORP?

Sorry if it seemed like a silly question... but it's really really intriguing.
Some breeders add chlorine powder to increase ORP as chlorine is a strong oxidaising agent. However, if you are performing only 15-20% water change, then the chlorine in the tap water is actually beneficial and the easiest way to increase ORP.

Some people also use the drip system...i.e continous tap water dripping into the pond. This also helps to maintain gd water thru feeding of chlorinated water in small amounts.

Then again, a massive water change with tap water is dangerous as the chlorine levels will be too high.
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:25 PM   #22
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And the other issue, IMO, is that our tapwater is NOT 100% clorine.
It's more then clorine.

Which makes it even harder to balance, no?

Has anyone been able to test the efficiency of Clorine remover in accordance to the prescribed dosage?

Is there any way we can measure? It might be interesting too


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The biggest problem with chlorine is that.... it kills BB.
We can of course dose anti-chlorine during WC at an amount of possible leaving remnents of Chlorine in the water but how much is enough or too much? Very hard to balance this.
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:28 PM   #23
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ar! yes! I remember Michael uses the drip system - those who went might remember as well.

15-20%? Would that be aged tap water, or direct from the tap? The last time I tried ard 20% w/o clorine remover, my ray was accidentally burnt.

Den again, pond and tank might have the difference in the luxury of space.

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Some breeders add chlorine powder to increase ORP as chlorine is a strong oxidaising agent. However, if you are performing only 15-20% water change, then the chlorine in the tap water is actually beneficial and the easiest way to increase ORP.

Some people also use the drip system...i.e continous tap water dripping into the pond. This also helps to maintain gd water thru feeding of chlorinated water in small amounts.

Then again, a massive water change with tap water is dangerous as the chlorine levels will be too high.
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:36 PM   #24
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10 pts each to Michael and Daniel.
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:37 PM   #25
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And the other issue, IMO, is that our tapwater is NOT 100% clorine.
It's more then clorine.
Theres floride too, notice now nice and white Michael's ray's teeth were!
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:37 PM   #26
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Anyone know if introduce ozone will affect benefital bacteria ?
Beneficial bacteria are only beneficial when they are adherent to yr filter media surfaces. Free floating bact are not the same and are the ones destroyed by ozone, similar to algae spores. Unless, u put ozone directly into the filter chamber which i wd not recommend. The by products of O3 (oxygen and incr ORP) will help yr BBs in the filter cause they are aerobic bact.
UNFORTUNATELY, it does not help to lower nitrates becos the bact removing nitrates are anaerobic!
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:41 PM   #27
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I din know u actually jumped in to look.
But his rays were really breathtaking.

thou now i know how he actually kept his pond so super clean.. it's not just the filteration alone

Really really thank you for sharing with us

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Theres floride too, notice now nice and white Michael's ray's teeth were!
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:52 PM   #28
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So Michael

You mentioned that ozone setup for a tank and sump is more tricky.
What would you advise a ozone setup for the typical home tank?
Lets say a 6 footer tank using sump.
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:54 PM   #29
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o3 is normally use for marine if i didnt remember wrongly, same thing apply to freshwater? as for the skimmer, does it work same way as marine tank?
Yes, ORP, O3 and Skimmer are all associated with marine hobbyists. The principles are the same for fresh and marine water.
Skimmer is far more efficient in marine tank. In freshwater, the skimmate looks like water and there is very little foam so alot of people feel that it does not work. IMO, truth is prob halfway, freshwater skimmers work but less efficient.
Remember a skimmer removes DOC (dissolved organic carbon). When u couple with O3, the skimmer is more efficient in removing DOC. Not only that, the thorough mixing of O3 with water effectively oxidizes toxins, spores, free floating bact etc (and incr ORP). I also believe O3 removes the hormone and pheromones that are secreted by the fishes. These ( I believe) are inhibitory factors, stunting growth and ? mating?
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Old 18-12-2008, 03:59 PM   #30
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So Michael

You mentioned that ozone setup for a tank and sump is more tricky.
What would you advise a ozone setup for the typical home tank?
Lets say a 6 footer tank using sump.
I don't know actually. I personally WOULD NOT use O3 in the house. Unless u get those fanciful degassing and carbon filters the marine people use.
I would think that if there is an accidental build up of O3 in yr house, u might get nice rays with nobody around to view them.
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