The lonely dance of a waiting female - True Green Terror - Page 2

BubbleBubble · 23-02-2012, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyc

I just extracted from 1 forum. Major cichild forums or organizations in the west have already use the new name and request hobbyists to use that too. There is also an official document published but need to pay if want to read the document.

Forget wat they say... general consensus cannot be achieved when u know for sure what u see is something different altogether.

**johannes** · 23-02-2012, 03:02 PM

P. synspilum was redescribed as the junior synonym of P. melanurus.
The ones found in Rio Sarstun was originally described as P. synspilum whereby
the other variant (orange form) living in Lago Peten was named P. melanurus.
Now having described to be the same, they just differ due to their locality.

actually if you see from pictures, the black marking on both fishes are rather similar, not to say that within each locality the black marking is already so variable. the only main difference is coloration.

**johannes** · 23-02-2012, 03:10 PM

published in peer reviewed journal liao.. bo pian, maybe later on redescribed again?
in the mean time still use melanurus and synspilus for trade name sake lo...
haha

the genus also keep changing... Cichlasoma, Vieja, Paratheraps, now Paraneetroplus

**johannes** · 23-02-2012, 03:18 PM

anyone keen on the full article can pm me your email address.

widjajas · 23-02-2012, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johannes

anyone keen on the full article can pm me your email address.

bro...pm sent

BubbleBubble · 23-02-2012, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johannes

published in peer reviewed journal liao.. bo pian, maybe later on redescribed again?
in the mean time still use melanurus and synspilus for trade name sake lo...
haha

the genus also keep changing... Cichlasoma, Vieja, Paratheraps, now Paraneetroplus

U are not getting what I am saying... u don't have to give a shit about what paper if u think they talk rubbish.

Ok lah... I say even more open lah... the zootaxa journal impact factor like zero point something lor. Ha...

The rio sarstun ones are blue fin variant synspilum i can accept.

BubbleBubble · 23-02-2012, 09:45 PM

Seeing as my date just stood me up... a little on these people calling other people to follow... haiz... poor thing really.

What define a distinct specie?... Ok, the icthys do their standard routine... fin count scale count measure here measure there and when they r the same u declare same species?... Sub-standard.

Before I go any further... colour difference in itself can almost qualify... if not entirely qualify distinction. An example, victorian laps... u can find them over a range of littoral zones... some deeper, with deeper colouration... some shallower, with brighter colouration. Nile perch went in presumbably to solve human starvation problem. Chopping trees and agriculture runoffs souped up the lake making a unique stratified layer of murk and nutrient blooms. Niles eat up and eat down... and some labs from both the up and down layers found murky niche... some crossed and some morphed to blend in... overtime... if the niles are gone... things may return to normal... or not... and new species would have evolved in that time.

Perhaps they will persist, perhaps they will vanish once stratified layer gone... with predatory docile friendly mopping them up... wat is sure... things will never be the same.

Opps... my date horny liao... more to say but...

Anyway, what constitute a distinct specie?...

BubbleBubble · 24-02-2012, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lyc

Many thanks in advance!

You are in for a ride, lyc. The flirty female got her prize. Ha...

Not sure how far this spawn is going to last... in any case... I'll leave them until next saturday... no guarantee brood will survive though male is fending aggressively driving everyone to corners while the female guard eggs... and if I travel... no guarantee as well.

I'll probably update when they eyed... and u can pretty much get yourself ready.

Remember, max till next saturday... about halve brood... no guarantees...

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digichris · 24-02-2012, 01:45 AM

BB, i read ya thread...

I cross river, cross mountain still end up lost in jungle larz...

BubbleBubble · 24-02-2012, 03:18 AM

Ha...

MIA so long uni should graduated liao... Got sign or not?... If not wanna keep some cichlids let me know.

23-02-2012, 03:02 PM	#12
johannes Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,906	P. synspilum was redescribed as the junior synonym of P. melanurus. The ones found in Rio Sarstun was originally described as P. synspilum whereby the other variant (orange form) living in Lago Peten was named P. melanurus. Now having described to be the same, they just differ due to their locality. actually if you see from pictures, the black marking on both fishes are rather similar, not to say that within each locality the black marking is already so variable. the only main difference is coloration. __________________ Life is full of empty promises and broken dreams Last edited by johannes; 23-02-2012 at 03:06 PM.

23-02-2012, 03:10 PM	#13
johannes Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,906	published in peer reviewed journal liao.. bo pian, maybe later on redescribed again? in the mean time still use melanurus and synspilus for trade name sake lo... haha the genus also keep changing... Cichlasoma, Vieja, Paratheraps, now Paraneetroplus __________________ Life is full of empty promises and broken dreams Last edited by johannes; 23-02-2012 at 03:11 PM.

23-02-2012, 03:18 PM	#14
johannes Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,906	anyone keen on the full article can pm me your email address. __________________ Life is full of empty promises and broken dreams

23-02-2012, 09:45 PM	#17
BubbleBubble Senior Dragon Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,401	Seeing as my date just stood me up... a little on these people calling other people to follow... haiz... poor thing really. What define a distinct specie?... Ok, the icthys do their standard routine... fin count scale count measure here measure there and when they r the same u declare same species?... Sub-standard. Before I go any further... colour difference in itself can almost qualify... if not entirely qualify distinction. An example, victorian laps... u can find them over a range of littoral zones... some deeper, with deeper colouration... some shallower, with brighter colouration. Nile perch went in presumbably to solve human starvation problem. Chopping trees and agriculture runoffs souped up the lake making a unique stratified layer of murk and nutrient blooms. Niles eat up and eat down... and some labs from both the up and down layers found murky niche... some crossed and some morphed to blend in... overtime... if the niles are gone... things may return to normal... or not... and new species would have evolved in that time. Perhaps they will persist, perhaps they will vanish once stratified layer gone... with predatory docile friendly mopping them up... wat is sure... things will never be the same. Opps... my date horny liao... more to say but... Anyway, what constitute a distinct specie?... Last edited by BubbleBubble; 23-02-2012 at 09:47 PM.

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digichris Dragon Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,763	BB, i read ya thread... I cross river, cross mountain still end up lost in jungle larz...

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BubbleBubble Senior Dragon Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,401	Ha... MIA so long uni should graduated liao... Got sign or not?... If not wanna keep some cichlids let me know.

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