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View Poll Results: Would you like a stingray species forum? | |||
yes please! | 63 | 94.03% | |
No thanks, don't need one. | 4 | 5.97% | |
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll |
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29-07-2010, 03:59 PM | #21 |
Endangered Dragon
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 22,004
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The FH Craze about 10 years ago was a once-off n will nvr be repeated. Last time pple were stupid, more gullible n too superstitious. Nowadays they are alot smarter n more knowledgeable about fishes....
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29-07-2010, 04:06 PM | #22 | |
Dragon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,264
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if we lift the rules,seller probably will hv no choice but to post pic in the open and under the watchful eyes from all the rayfanatic here,that will more or less eradicate unwanted so called breeder(fly by day trader,that dont even know what species they are selling,but anyhow claim) -to me is seller pls say dont know, if dont know,buyer buy as per what you see and how much you willing to pay what is infront of you -seller hv detailed proof of bloodline,then sell as per what you can backup. in the end,i find that open up the forum and rule hv more advantages bec information is more readily available |
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29-07-2010, 04:11 PM | #23 | |
Dragon
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 890
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It is really at the higher end of the hobby that is creating concern...the black rays and its variants...and this community is the more mature one normally. It is almost like aros....buy fish and not cert...willing buyer and seller. If u spot a great deal and the fish don't turn out right...who can you blame for your own greediness. I bargain as hard as the next man but you have to respect the trade...somebody has to make a profit. I agree with you that this is a community and it is thanks to AF that we have one in the 1st place....and I really hope that self governance will kick in and keep it a healthy one |
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29-07-2010, 04:11 PM | #24 | |
Barney
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 9,118
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If we laugh behind and say ".. hahahah .... those are chapalang mix until xyz liao ..... and that noob still go and buy ..... hahahahhaha .." ... then it will not help at all. |
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29-07-2010, 04:15 PM | #25 | |
Barney
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 9,118
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I am all for opening up as long as the community wants it that way. |
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29-07-2010, 04:27 PM | #26 | |
Administrator
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 578
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I do take in your feedback with thanks. You have raised valid concerns. If you would humor me for a bit, let me explain some of the thoughts behind this move. I believe that with or without Arofanatics, ray trading exists. Personally, I feel it is counter- intuitive to believe that these animals that cost us few hundreds to several thousands are dumped into our reservoirs by hobbyists. I have my personal theory about how those rays enter our system, but that’s for another day. Anyway, if you believe dumping takes place, then, like trading, it takes place with or without Arofanatics. When legitimate avenues for trade are taken away, these activities are simply driven further underground, which in my mind, have two negative implications: 1) Animals that are unable to find homes through underground channels suffer, ironically increasing the likelihood of dumping. i.e. the market is not allowed to perform the role of distribution. 2) Asymmetric information is amplified owing to a lack of transparent information flow, which would lead to amplification in price distortions. Fraudulent sales would be more rampant. i.e. the market is not allowed to perform the role of price discovery and determination. Arofanatics seeks to address these two issues by reinstating the market’s distribution and price determination mechanisms. But it doesn’t end there. Say as a licensed exporter, I receive an order from HK for 10 motoros, but I only have 5 motoros and 1 sakura on hand. I can now go into AF buy/sell, buy 3 motoros from marshy, and trade my sakura for 2 of jwhtan’s motoros. The marketplace would thus allow breeders, stockists and exporters to organize themselves, and conduct the full spectrum of aggregation and optimization activities for export. Helping the animals access the export channels as efficiently as possible also helps to curb dumping. The stingray species forum serves multiple functions too. Offhand, I’ll name three. First, it provides the platform to advance the general level of stingray husbandry, thereby enabling and enhancing stockists’ ability to feed into, and support our trade exporters on a sustainable and continuous basis. Second, it serves as the epicenter for information flow, empowering the community to weed out undesirable and disruptive influences. Lastly, though not least, it is also kinda fun to talk cock in the forums. Or at least, I believe it’ll be a fun forum in the hands of my esteemed colleague- marshy. Forgive me for launching into such a long post. Thank you for bearing with it. |
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29-07-2010, 04:30 PM | #27 |
Senior Dragon
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,766
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The problem I forsee self governance is, trade secret. Why? Potential sellers would not want to share and many would just sit on the fence and ler things happen. Like John has mentioned, only when a dispute arises, then we see some answers.
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29-07-2010, 04:39 PM | #28 |
New Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 28
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Its all good, no hard feelings, AF open a thread and ask for comments, thus my post. Since I do not know anything about rays, I can only raise my concern with the only memories since the FHs' days.
Such sinister-looking fish will never be my pet ~ Ray is simply a dish (pun intended) found in Hawkers' Centre... |
29-07-2010, 04:41 PM | #29 |
Administrator
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29-07-2010, 05:09 PM | #30 | |
Dragon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,264
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weather you eventually will keep as pet is none of our concern,though i would think you might keep one day. but the last sentence is really unwarranted.hope you understand |
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