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Liang_Zai 02-12-2019 03:24 AM

We have been poor through put the aeason and the problem is i cant see us scoring like that how to even win a game??now adays we have to beg to see a win 1month perhaps see 1 or 2 times only.

lenghan 02-12-2019 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Liang_Zai (Post 10025266)
We have been poor through put the aeason and the problem is i cant see us scoring like that how to even win a game??now adays we have to beg to see a win 1month perhaps see 1 or 2 times only.

This is a sign of, at best, mid table team.
Struggling against teams we should beat in most seasons.
Next few games will probably see us in the bottom half of the table with Spurs and City to come.

lenghan 02-12-2019 03:37 AM

Ole must be sweating under his pants.
Spurs, Arsenal and Watford sacked their managers for poor performance.
The next on the line would probably be Everton, losing deep into injury time to Leicester.

KeeHuat 02-12-2019 03:38 AM

Poor first half and passing was bad. Picked up in the second half and threw it away. Martial was off today.

Midfield is weak now with the injured players not in.

There was no way to stop Grealish's goal.

canopy 02-12-2019 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lenghan (Post 10025268)
Ole must be sweating under his pants.
Spurs, Arsenal and Watford sacked their managers for poor performance.
The next on the line would probably be Everton, losing deep into injury time to Leicester.

what this result, ole may be gone before city match or after city match.

KeeHuat 02-12-2019 12:53 PM

If we keep on sacking managers, then how is United going to build up a team with a philosophy and bringing in our youth players.

Woody picked Jose because he is a winner and because City got Pep. If Pep didn't sign for City, I doubt Jose would have come in because his philosophy doesn't run in line with United's. Jose is there to win not to develop the youth nor to play attacking football. To play under Jose each player has to have elephant/rhino thickest skin. Apparently, now Jose has said he has changed having learnt from his mistakes. Only time will tell and watch Spurs and see what happens.

Woody did not sign any midfielders in the summer and not replaced Lukaku. The 3 players signed by OGS have exceeded the expectations. The problems are with the current players left behind. It so happened that Pogba and McTominay are both injured and the midfield is suffering at the moment and we have to play Pereira most of the time.

Klopp took time to build up Pool and it wasn't overnight.

Some of us who have supported United in the 70s and 80s were suffering. Don't know how many fans are fair weather or just started following United when they were successful under SAF. I guess nowadays, the demand is for instant success.

KeeHuat 02-12-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lenghan (Post 10025268)
Ole must be sweating under his pants.
Spurs, Arsenal and Watford sacked their managers for poor performance.
The next on the line would probably be Everton, losing deep into injury time to Leicester.

Everton did not play badly yesterday compared to their other matches. They should have got a point against Leicester. They might give Pool a surprise on Wednesday even though they are expected to lose.

lenghan 02-12-2019 01:04 PM

In so many matches now, we are witnessing our team totally clueless in certain phases of the game and completely overrun by the opponents and only start to pick up when we are down, but simply cannot hang on to victories.
We have all said that we lack leadership in the team, and it seems nothing positive is being done to rectify this weakness.
DDG had said we lack quality, but if he was a good leader he would be barking orders to the defenders to defend free kicks. This had been our weakness to defend.
What about Ole? As the manager/coach, wouldn't he had analysed our weakness? If yes what has he done to improve the defense to protect leads?
My guess, he has NO clues!!!!

Yes it is true we are rebuilding and we do not have many good players.
But just look at the teams we are struggling to beat, they too (on papers) have a far inferior team when compared to us.
So sometimes, it is hard to swallow defeats or lost of points which we should have.

lukeber 02-12-2019 02:26 PM

Ole can lose games but not the next match with Spurs visiting. JM is sure going to play up the hype and mind games if he gains any positive result from the game at OT.

canopy 02-12-2019 02:58 PM

gone are the days of long term managers. Whether like it or not got to keep winning to keep your jobs. Rebuilding is not an excuse. Look beyond the first 11 we have, what can you see?

KeeHuat 02-12-2019 05:22 PM

It depends on the fan base for each club. I am referring to those who attend the matches at the ground not those who support from afar.

No matter how you defend, even for Liverpool and City, goals will still go in. It's a matter of how many go in. The EPL clubs can now buy players and no team is a walkover compared to years ago when only the top clubs dominate.

If your fans and the owner are constantly excessively demanding and I am not referring to the top teams but even those at the bottom of the table, then the manager will be in trouble if results don't go well.

lukeber 02-12-2019 07:07 PM

For a big club like Man U, the expectations to deliver results by winning matches and silverware has been set by the decades of achievements under Ferguson. Anything less is deem as failure, therefore not much time for any next manager after Ferguson.

Ole won’t be at the wheel for too long if this results continue. Maybe Poch next?

KeeHuat 03-12-2019 12:20 PM

FA Cup 3rd Round
Wolves v Manchester United

lenghan 03-12-2019 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KeeHuat (Post 10025279)
FA Cup 3rd Round
Wolves v Manchester United

But first the league where we meet our former JM and his Spurs team at OT this Thurs early morning

loveikan 03-12-2019 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lenghan (Post 10025280)
But first the league where we meet our former JM and his Spurs team at OT this Thurs early morning

Spur won 2 games after JM came on board while our last 2 games were not convincing.
So this league game will be more interesting

lenghan 03-12-2019 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by loveikan (Post 10025281)
Spur won 2 games after JM came on board while our last 2 games were not convincing.
So this league game will be more interesting

And it was reported that Ole told players that if they lose the next two matches (spurs n MC) he could be sacked

loveikan 03-12-2019 07:22 PM

Official: Paul Pogba is OUT of tomorrow’s game against Tottenham.

loveikan 03-12-2019 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by lenghan (Post 10025282)
And it was reported that Ole told players that if they lose the next two matches (spurs n MC) he could be sacked

I hope not even when results are not in his favor.
He still has not got the players that he needed.

He has to stay put otherwise it is just another cycle of rebuilding again if under another new manager

BBP604 04-12-2019 12:09 AM

The transfer window is opening soon.
So lets see...

KeeHuat 05-12-2019 04:00 AM

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Young, McTominay, Fred, James, Lingard, Greenwood, Rashford.

Subs: Romero, Tuanzebe, Shaw, Williams, Garner, Pereira, Mata

lenghan 05-12-2019 04:41 AM

Nice goal by MR

lenghan 05-12-2019 05:03 AM

So far this has been one of the best 30mins of attacking play by the lads.
MR unlucky not to have scored more but for the great saves from their goalie.
Hope the momentum can be maintained

lenghan 05-12-2019 05:16 AM

Wonderful skill by D.Ali to equalise. Defenders left wondering again!!!!

loveikan 05-12-2019 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lenghan (Post 10025291)
Wonderful skill by D.Ali to equalise. Defenders left wondering again!!!!

He has been playing well and scoring in every match under JM

lenghan 05-12-2019 05:44 AM

MR restored the lead from a cool penalty kick

Shadow7 05-12-2019 05:54 AM

Rashford for the hattrick !

lenghan 05-12-2019 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow7 (Post 10025294)
Rashford for the hattrick !

Really hope he can do it. He has been the best player for the match

Shadow7 05-12-2019 06:02 AM

Let’s get our 1st hattrick post SAF

lenghan 05-12-2019 06:13 AM

AP replacing MG. Greenwood had not been effective so far cos MR is dominating the game

lenghan 05-12-2019 06:25 AM

Well deserved victory by the lads

KeeHuat 05-12-2019 06:25 AM

Good performance from the team and 3 points. But Pereira is still useless.

loveikan 05-12-2019 06:27 AM

3 pts in the bag.
McTominay is a big influence in midfield and Fred is in tandem with him

nywa78 05-12-2019 10:43 AM

OGS 1 JM 0

Well done

loveikan 05-12-2019 03:23 PM

No one wxpected a win but our lads done well.
A good 90mins and now must really build on this win to salvage our season

loveikan 05-12-2019 03:36 PM

JM did well to congratulate some of his former players.

lenghan 05-12-2019 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by loveikan (Post 10025305)
No one wxpected a win but our lads done well.
A good 90mins and now must really build on this win to salvage our season

There is no doubt we did well. But to think that we are now starting to turn things around may be premature cos we are still very inconsistent. Still a long road ahead for us, proven by the fact that when SM was injured and not playing we were toothless. Or if Rashford gets injured, where would our goals come from? We simply have no depth in the squad, and Ole and the Board must address this urgent crisis without procrastinating.

jwhtan 06-12-2019 12:03 AM

Interesting read at ESPN soccernet about how things fall apart at United.
Just take a look at the signings these managers did

loveikan 06-12-2019 09:15 PM

Anthony Martial should be fit enough to play at least a part in Saturday’s Manchester derby, according to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

The 24-year-old missed Wednesday’s win over Tottenham Hotspur after picking up an injury during last Sunday’s 2-2 draw with Aston Villa, but the boss says he could feature at the Etihad Stadium, even if it’s initially as a substitute.

“We hope to have Anthony, definitely, for part of the game. I am not sure he is able to start,”*said Ole.

Paul Pogba, who memorably scored a brace in our last victory away at our rivals, a 3-2 comeback success in April 2018, is still recovering from the ankle injury that has ruled him out since the end of September.

The French midfielder is getting closer to a return, with Solskjaer indicating that he could play a part for the Reds over the upcoming busy festive period.

“Paul probably won't be available, no,”*the Norwegian added.

“We expect him back as soon as possible, as quickly as possible. He's out on the grass training. I said [he'll be back] in 2019, so hopefully we'll see him before the new year, definitely.”

The boss didn’t provide an update on midfielder Nemanja Matic, whom he mentioned as possibly being in line for a return in midweek, but Scott McTominay did complete the full 90 minutes against Spurs after spending three and a half weeks on the sidelines.

Meanwhile, long-term absentees Eric Bailly, Tim Fosu-Mensah and Diogo Dalot are putting in the hard work at the Aon Training Complex as they fight to be fit.

Mason Greenwood received the nod to start in the win over Tottenham, in Martial's absence, and will be hoping for another run-out in a such a high-profile fixture.

CITY TEAM NEWS

Pep Guardiola has already stated City’s leading goalscorer Sergio Aguero will miss the game with a thigh injury, while long-term absentees Leroy Sane and Aymeric Laporte (both knee) are out of contention until the new year. Left-back Oleksandr Zinchenko has returned to training after surgery on a knee problem, but it remains to be seen whether he’ll be fit enough to play.

There is some good news for City, as Ilkay Gundogan can once again be selected after serving a one-match suspension during the comfortable midweek win over Burnley.

loveikan 07-12-2019 04:12 PM

Read that another takeover bid by the Saudi Crown Prince was rejected by Glaziers who is not in a hurray to sell as the club is still a money making machine

KeeHuat 08-12-2019 01:49 AM

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, McTominay, Fred, James, Lingard, Rashford, Martial.

Subs: Romero, Mata, Pereira, Young, Greenwood, Tuanzebe, Williams.


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