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ryan3rdfeb 22-10-2017 09:56 PM

Substrate vs Bare bottom
 
Hello! I'm getting a 5ft tank soon and I can't decide if I should go bare bottom or go with substrate.
I've never went bare bottom before because I don't like the looks of it, but it's definitely easier to maintain since nothing much gets trapped at the bottom.
However I've also used black gravel in a 4ft tank previously and it was a hassle when I wanted to remove it.

My only concern now is, from the point of view of filtration and water quality, is it better to have substrate or bare bottom?
Substrate serves as a filter media itself since bacteria will grow on it like it grows on your ceramic rings, etc. But at the same time it traps dirt. (Taking into account that there's a catfish or stingray that will sift through the substrate)
Bare bottom allows the wave maker to pick up the dirt off the bottom and carry them into the sump, however you're missing a huge volume of filter media as compared to having substrate.

If I'm planning to do the exact same tank maintenance weekly, would a substrate or bare bottom tank give cleaner water?



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burntrubber 23-10-2017 02:11 PM

Likewise I dislike bare bottom for tanks :D.

But if you are keeping massive poop machine fish it would be much easier to go commando.

Or just have a thin layer of sand about 1/2 to 1 inch with nice hardscape such as spider wood with narrow base so it doesn't trap dirt under.

amiidae 23-10-2017 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan3rdfeb (Post 10002661)
But at the same time it traps dirt.

What you can see is less harmful than what you dont see. Typically the bad stuff fm the waste would have leeched into the water. Unless you can remove the poo IMMEDIATELY. Otherwise, there is not much diff on this part.

For me... only quarantine or treatment tank go bare.

Personally.. I find bare tank looks like those tanks at seafood center. :o

CZQ 23-10-2017 04:17 PM

Use very fine sand and the waste will not trap inside. Moreover you have stingray and catfish. They will stir the sand. Stingray likes to burrow into the sand.

mictok 23-10-2017 04:35 PM

it depend largely on type of fish that you will be keeping.

ryan3rdfeb 23-10-2017 05:18 PM

Thanks for the replies!

But something I'd like to clarify is, does substrate act as a form of filter media? If yes, do they supply a lot more beneficial bacteria compared to a bare bottom tank?


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amiidae 23-10-2017 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan3rdfeb (Post 10002716)
Thanks for the replies!

But something I'd like to clarify is, does substrate act as a form of filter media? If yes, do they supply a lot more beneficial bacteria compared to a bare bottom tank?


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More surface area will have better development for BB.

BB also grow on glass surface

CZQ 23-10-2017 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan3rdfeb (Post 10002716)
Thanks for the replies!

But something I'd like to clarify is, does substrate act as a form of filter media? If yes, do they supply a lot more beneficial bacteria compared to a bare bottom tank?


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i think yes but by how much we dont know. dont depends much on sand for bb. use better media.

burntrubber 24-10-2017 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan3rdfeb (Post 10002716)
Thanks for the replies!

But something I'd like to clarify is, does substrate act as a form of filter media? If yes, do they supply a lot more beneficial bacteria compared to a bare bottom tank?

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This is how undergravel filters work.

CZQ 24-10-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by burntrubber (Post 10002755)
This is how undergravel filters work.

Under gravel is the worse filtration system.


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