The Rep System
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1. There are two mechanism. One is the rep points and the other is the rep altering power. 2. Everyone starts off at 10 rep points which is neutral. We can start from 0 but 10 gives everyone a buffer so tat even if u get zapped from the start, u still hv some way to go. 3. When ur rep points drop below -10, I'll put you under moderation. If it drops below -50, I'll disable ur account. 4. You'll need a minimum of 20 rep points and 50 post counts before you get any rep altering power. So registration of new nicks to destabilise the system will not work. 5. For senior members here, every 1200 days will give them one additional rep altering power. And every 500 rep points members gained will give them one additional rep altering power. Maximum rep power will be 8. 6. A limit to only one click a person can give over a 24 hour period. You can only add or minus once daily. This means you either up your friend or down those u find frivolous. 7. User Spread. You cannot give to the same person until you have given to 100 others. So that means you cannot just click on one until his reps go spiralling down uncontrollably. So if a member has very high reps, that's just many hv voted for him. Or if a member has very low reps, he is disliked by the majority. 8.The rep system is not about right or wrong. It's abt whether someone agrees or disagrees with ur post. No reason is needed. You can say a XBack needs tanning and the someone think u talk rubbish, u can get zapped. You win some , you lose some. Simple as that. It's basically abt opinions. And to a certain extent, the number of friends u have. Remember u hv one click per day and you cannot click the same member again until you hv clicked 100 others, so click wisely. :) |
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We will take to task the person whose comments are vulgar. |
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if the rep altering power is given to 30K above postings, then 99% of members here will not qualify and wat then will be the reason to implement this at all ? 50 posts and u'll hv one rep altering power and the next one more altering power is given at 20,000 posts .. so that's a lot of difference i think no one single person can zapped another member to oblivion. If one member is zapped badly, then it's almost certainly he's been zapped by many and all these people who zapped him will hv given up the chance to up ther frens. |
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1) The person can read the comments, and the identity of the person is not made know, he remains anonymous 2) The comments are not compulsory, but any vulgarities comments shd be reported and I'll zapped the person spewing vulgarities but I'll not answer those "why i kena zapped" or " who zapped me" questions. there'll always be those that will upzz you and those that will zapped you .. so at the end of the day, it evens out .... unless the person has no frens |
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important thing is 1 click over 24 hrs period cannot click same person until u hv click 50 others no vulgarities in the comments box |
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threads being closed when there's no vulgarity ? banning a person? by this I take it tat u opined there was a mistake in the mods action ? if yes, I do need u to point out to me ... but lest it be mistaken, vulgarity is not the sole reason for closing threads ... one example ... I pawn my dog to buy aro thread or why i feed my aro dog meat they dun want to eat .. this kind of threads are just frivolous and does nothing to improve the hobby, by and large ... and is created solely for annoyance .. Wat for add or minus rep points ? it's not abt wat for ? it's a system where to a certain extent, the moderation task is entrusted to the members, assuming the members are matured and can see the merits of this system. Who is contributing, who is not can easily tell ? yes and no ... there's a herd instinct in here, and u know it too, how many times hv we tried to tell them crossbreeds, abt brand names, abt wat matters and wat not matters ... u ask urself, did it work ? did they take ur advice ? it is precisely because we're all individuals, having a mind of our own, that all of us, think wat we hv experienced as being correct and not being able to try and see the other view. I hv a question, is intense colouration or crossing considered the more important criteria in a xback ? no conclusive answer .. the grouse that I expound .. who add me, who zap me ... this whining is basically the one single grouse tat I have abt the system ... for all the matured and thinking people around, there is always the frivolous ones too .. but we cannot abort or stop an idea just for these few people i understand abt ur expressing opinions on this webby and sincerely, i appreciate it ... it is however my responsibility to explain the merits in a system tat i see as something that can work ... |
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The whole thing is abt opinion ... actually even mods decision is all on opinions .. let's say this guy keeps posting something for sale, and its always the same thing ... so we tell him, u hv been consistently selling this stuff, pls do post ur sale at commercial ... i tell u, there'll be 3 kinds of replies .. 1) I not making profit/making very little profit, so its not commercial 2) this is a good lobang, i'm juz sharing lobang, isn't AF all abt sharing ? 3) sorry, it is not my intention to circumvent the guidelines, i'll do so in future .. so wat does tat say ? we'll insist and enforce our guidelines .. but obviously those who disagree will disagree, so again tat is abt opinions .. we can't even conclude the member is wrong .. juz tat in this forum, the mods opinion counts in moderating ... In this rep system, the opinion is left to the members .. why not two members .. if the post or thread is genuinely bad, tat member will not be zapped by one, he'll be zapped by many, to get two members to zap same post is quite unlikely ... I disagree with ur opinion will kill freedom of speech/opinion ? - personally i dun think so, disagreeing is by itself an opinion ... why we allow this disagreement to turn to zapping ... in many scenarios we come across, the thread inevitably turns into flaming when disagreement occurs .. many do not want to give their opinion and they just keep quiet, this system allows them to have a say, the silent majority to have a say, in their opinions w/o engaging in the verbal war . In time to come, most members will hv their rep points gradually increase. Discourage newbie threads ? not necessarily so, but i hope to discourage frivolous multiple postings of the same thread .. yesterday, one member posted 3 threads " Are u Asian" in arotalk, in chat and in gatherings ... the thread is inappropriate and worse, it spams 3 forums .. so where do we draw a line wat to encourage, discourage ? other than the arotalk FAQ (which very little people read), we've also hv Freshwater Forum Resources and Articles, Planted Forum Resources and Articles, Marine Resources and Articles, why not read up all this before starting a new thread ? I understand newbie concerns, because i'm a newbie in certain aspects too but the archive has so many things to read ? why start another thread on the same ? seriously the level of discussion cannot improve unless the members start to consider this a serious forum .. the mods can lead by starting new threads ... I hv one question for all to ponder ... where are those guys that started with us in 2000/2001/even 2002 ... how many are still here, besides wrx, EH etc still quite active, so many hv actually very little postings since .. wat is the reason ? the forum has too little topic of good discussion and too many frivolous postings/threads .. " why my aro dun eat ? " or " will my 8" flowerhorn kill my 10" aro?" ... in a forum having a demographics as wide as AF, moderating cannot eradicate these postings, it cannot bring the level of discussion higher ... i'll say, let's cut this crap threads out ... but how to do this ? closing all those threads ? tat will be draconian .. actually even those frivolous threads hv their set of supporters, and not because they think it shd be here but because they think its entertaining .. so this method is to give the power of moderating to the members with some safeguards thrown in. U can't eliminate relationship problem... who dun like who ? but we can prevent the continuous zapping of the same person by the same person ... and tat's wat we hv done |
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Why dun we make whoever zaps the reps be known ?
The likelihood is that threads will be started targetting at individuals Why u down my reps ? Wat makes u think I'm not a true fishkeeper and when there's no reply Coward, Idiot, Imbecile, Hide behind computer etc Basically this is also to allow the silent majority to hv a say w/o engaging in flames. And lest u guys be mistaken that I'm immune from this, no I'm not. I'm just as susceptible to being zap points w/o people giving me a reason. For those members I see them as credible, I'll ask them. For others, I dun even bother. That is because the system has been entrusted to them to make the individual choice of wat they want to do. In a thread, I can see some saying they dun care and dun participate and I go take a look at their records. Bingo, they hv a track record of zapping others too. :p Basically every system has its merits and demerits, its the people using it tat determines how good the system is ... in a system, because of free will, some will follow the system and make the best of it, some will continually whine amidst suspicions of conspiracy and some will think of methods/ways to abuse it .. this is inevitable |
Before we implement, we ask ourselves ...
wat else can we do to improve the webby ? wat else can we do to cut out those frivolous threads or unconstructive posts ? will it be nothing ? cos wat we implement may not work ? and then we sit by and do nothing .. or we implement a system tat if properly used, can and will work ... I'll like to achieve a forum where we can leave most things to the members, tat they can dictate how we progress, maybe like some say, this forum in not mature enough for this but Arofanatics is into its fifth year , when are they going to mature ? In a very short summary, it is abt threads/postings/members tat are frivolous, the members hv the say to zap them. Or in others like those at the Resources/Articles Forums where members contribute, we add them. Basically, we pass the onus to members to encourage good contributions, discourage frivolous postings. Please do not pm me why ur reps got zapped, cos I dunno. Its all individual opinions, much like I wun know why u add/zapped another person (including me) and please dun start threads to whine and spew negatives like cowards, idiots, imbeciles etc Any questions on the system itself, not answered above, u can ask here. But, please dun tok cok here. For those who are bothered by this system or simply do not wish to be part of it, switch ur board settings that is located at the bottom left hand corner of the main forum page, from Arofanatics (default) to vBulletin3 .. u still have a choice |
hmn...how come this thread is all bro john replying only?
after reading all the reply, i felt that most of the reply is quite logical. However i have a suggestion. Is it possible to start a forum which could let bro/sis blend into the crowd more easily? something like a 'feedback forum'. Like bro/sis can post their 'zap or add rep' into that forum. like that, the rest of us can learn from it and improve ourself so that we can blend into the crowd. This forum is not to pinpoint at one another, but to provide an area of improvement. So that as time goes by, we can expect better reply from bro/sis whenever a thread is started. :D |
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I think for the system to work they have to remain unknown by default (of cos they can choose to be known).
How about making it compulsory to click reasons for zapping like selecting from a number of choices, with option to leave own comments in a text field. This is to prevent pple from leaving "kjwhiufgwhguerhg" in a text field. Having said that, I think most of the time we know vaguely why we are zapped, cos we know the thread and we know what we said in it. Its accepting the zapping that is difficult. |
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but the disagreement may be that u ask members here to go to another forum or it is interpreted as such ... and tat's why u got zapped if i were sharing, i wud hv cut and paste the answer and credit the website for it |
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http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=170807 With regards to ur water changing example, I refer you to this thread, I think that speaks for itself http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=170891 Quote:
practically it is very difficult for a person to achieve -50, unless he's really disliked by the majority and he has no frens at all. He needs 60 people to zap him and no one to add him. Not tat it is impossible, but its highly unlikely. U mentioned most people wouldn't want to use it unless they have to, since the vote is limited to 1 daily. If this is the case when it comes to adding, its also the case when it comes to zapping. And its intentionally configured such so tat any giving of reputations is done selectively. If it is required, I can even tweaked it to 1 vote daily or give reputation power to people with a longer registration date and minimum posts to reduce of the number of eligible members giving out rep points. |
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there's another case of a member being zapped badly ... and tat's because he posted for sales the same items in all the different forums ... as usual he choose not to see wat he has done and pm me .. but his reps were all zapped by different people, most dun give a reason but to me, its obvious its because of spamming |
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Jwhtan...I see your logic behind this. But if you dont want to put in the zappers name...another upgrade would be to enforce 'comments'...make it a mandatory field. So, if zapper got nothing to say....No zap. If you want to zap someone...then be man (woman) enough to say something....whatever it is.!!! This is about taking accountability for your actions..... |
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You may at the end of the day see comments like aaaaaaa, bbbbb, cccccc... I dun think its at all necessary for the admin to make comments compulsory... Its up to the members to use the system as it was meant for..... Most importantly, the rep system is just an additional feature/ tool in the forum, ultimately its the sharing and learning thats important to me.... Just my views.... :D |
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Bro ,, I think hor,,, why not everything as usual,, but the total number of person who zap either plus or minus in the same topic, can only entiltle to one plus or minus max.. Is lika casting a vote end of a day.. Only admin or moderator can make the final tick on the rep pts .. So that those who against somebody cannot do things at their own way,, everyday free zap zap zap people liao.. YOu can simply get many zap [ minus ] juz by offending a person.. Maybe even of no valid reasons. For ya consideration hor. Juz a thought of mine. |
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I've tweaked the system to one click per 24 hour period and 200 rep points to increase one rep altering power. The first post has been updated accordingly.
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But for us, we know it works and that's good enough for us. What you feel, as far as yourself is concerned, we'll just leave it to yourself with all due respect |
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I know I look errrr, not very much like what I typed, too Beng and not the kind of goody two shoes one would associate with my online persona. Well, just one of those things. |
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There are a couple of things we need to do .... we need to convince Vil to come back, we need to find a replacement for Shirley at Guppy Talk ... we need to collate the orders for the Planted Forums T-shirts ... and Alvin is preparing for his big day ... there are many things to do, but very little hands |
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Hi, Mods. I've posted this suggestion in another but it doesnt seem to get much attention from the Mods, so i decide to paste it here. Wat do you think of the suggestion? Is it feasible?
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