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moscowblue 02-11-2019 10:35 AM

Chong and AG, I would prefer to keep AG.

As for our form, it coincides with the return of AM.

Hopefully today we can do something about moving up the table again

KeeHuat 02-11-2019 09:05 PM

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Maguire, Lindelof, Young, McTominay, Fred, Pereira, James, Martial, Rashford.

Subs: Romero, Mata, Lingard, Rojo, Greenwood, Garner, Williams.

lenghan 02-11-2019 10:22 PM

Poor goal to concede towards HT

Liang_Zai 02-11-2019 10:23 PM

Before that goal mc tominay should be given a foul yet become we concede a foul

lenghan 02-11-2019 10:36 PM

We have ourselves to blame for poor finishing and conceding a poorly defended goal (from Lindelof n Bisaka)

Liang_Zai 02-11-2019 10:41 PM

Take andrea out n put mata in liao. Andrea is playing like shit today

Shadow7 02-11-2019 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liang_Zai (Post 10025008)
Take andrea out n put mata in liao. Andrea is playing like shit today

One weakness from OGS is he always take ages to make changes :(

67th min le then change

Liang_Zai 02-11-2019 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow7 (Post 10025010)
One weakness from OGS is he always take ages to make changes :(

67th min le then change

Fred also another shit get ball dunno what to do and also keep lose ball haiz

lenghan 02-11-2019 11:05 PM

The way we are playing, lots of possession but passing from left to right, to back, to right to left but hardly any penetrative movements.
Opposition happy to let us have the ball as long as there is no threat

Liang_Zai 02-11-2019 11:23 PM

Really speechless after consecutive 3away win now back to square. Ole should know when to sub ppl in. Bissaka is a very good defender but his attacking sense is near to zero though. Andrea i think given enough chance to shine yet keep disappoint

loveikan 02-11-2019 11:25 PM

Andreas cannot make a decent cross, or fr a freekick and cannot provide a proper corner kick at all.

lenghan 02-11-2019 11:26 PM

Back to reality...we are just not good enough this season

KeeHuat 02-11-2019 11:27 PM

Really disappointing performance after a good start.

Lindelof doesn't give me confidence in his defending, slight better than Jones. Pereira is not first team material and can't improve anymore, keeps on getting knocked off the ball. Lingard is a squad player, not first eleven. Young is too old.

Liang_Zai 02-11-2019 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeeHuat (Post 10025017)
Really disappointing performance after a good start.

Lindelof doesn't give me confidence in his defending, slight better than Jones. Pereira is not first team material and can't improve anymore, keeps on getting knocked off the ball. Lingard is a squad player, not first eleven. Young is too old.

Maguire get turned by forward quite easily too

lenghan 02-11-2019 11:47 PM

All those talk that are starting to "turn things over" is but an illusion, especially for OGS. Three away wins in a week (yes it was a good feeling) and OGS feels we have the answer for some positions. Is he just trying to motivate the players or a case of false sense of hope

loveikan 03-11-2019 08:08 PM

We truly need some experienced players, starting with a creative midfielder and a forward.
Main problem is may not get them in during the Jan 2020 transfer window

lenghan 04-11-2019 12:06 AM

We are certainly in the ranks of "mid-table" team at most. There is no consistency at all. At times the lads are seen playing good football, but more often then not, lack-lustre with no creativity.
Whenever MR or AM plays ok in one game, OGS seems over the moon and gets very carried away...but alas the next game....MIA!!!!
No consistency at all.
We lack a captain that can "bark" orders.
And we have a captain that has certainly "over-stayed" He is the reason why the game truly slows down (winning or losing position) cos his habit of back passing is classic. The front 3 are already running into positions, and instead of pushing the ball forward, he brings the ball to the half-way line and then BACKWARDS and the whole attack momentum collapse.
This season (plus towards the 2nd half of last season), it had been a torture watching our team

BBP604 04-11-2019 01:18 AM

Need a midfield general. A strong leader who do the command and control.
Someone who can lead in attack and retreat when need to defend.
He must read the game and gel the tempo in the team.
More than often we see attacking at the front but not supported.
Either no communication or simply slow down by aged players.
Best form of defend is attack.
You score 1 and we score 2.
We are lacking this at the moment.

lenghan 04-11-2019 04:12 AM

After watching the Everton vs Spurs match, I am more convinced that the VAR is too inconsistent. The English FA should really sit down and look at the flaws now that more players are taking advantage by diving, trying to win penalties. Or how did Everton not awarded a clear cut penalty when Ali had his hands raised (remember we were awarded?)
But the saddest moment in tonight's game is the horrific injury to Gomez though in truth Son should not be red carded (but doubt Son could have gone through the match after seeing the injury, he was totally devastated) The momentum of his tackle caused Gomez to trip (yellow card for sure) and Gomez crashed into Aurier which probably resulted in broken leg (most likely) for Gomez. Even Aurier could not concentrate thereafter and had to be sub.
Wishing Gomez a speedy recovery

Latest report, was broken ankle which could probably end his career. Indeed very sad

But credit to Everton players. They were seen consoling rather then confronting Son.

moscowblue 04-11-2019 09:12 AM

The reasons for the lost game

- 3 games in 1 week, some of the players played entirely for the last three games and were noticbly tired for this yet we do not have adequate players from the bench to replace them to start this game. SM, Fred, Bissaka all looked very tired.

- Our creativity is next to zero, forwards were starved of quality through passes

- Nobody from the bench came on to make a difference as we lack quality on the bench

- We still put in Young, why is he still picked when we have Brendan Williams ready???? He looked lost for most of the game and was at fault for letting the cross came in from the left for the goal.

lenghan 05-11-2019 03:09 AM

Good news that Gomez had a successful surgery for the ankle injury. Out for this whole season but full recovery is expected.

lenghan 05-11-2019 03:11 AM

Apparently PP had a broken bone in his right ankle since Sept n ecpected to be sidelined for another 4 or 5 weeks

moscowblue 05-11-2019 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lenghan (Post 10025051)
Good news that Gomez had a successful surgery for the ankle injury. Out for this whole season but full recovery is expected.

I saw the photo of the injury, it looked really bad

moscowblue 08-11-2019 05:56 PM

nice goals

but should have put in more

now back to EPL

loveikan 08-11-2019 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moscowblue (Post 10025079)
nice goals

but should have put in more

now back to EPL

Some poor finishings but the opposition goalie was also very good.

Greenwood also linked quite well with the other forwards.
McTominay put up another good performance

moscowblue 09-11-2019 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveikan (Post 10025081)
Some poor finishings but the opposition goalie was also very good.

Greenwood also linked quite well with the other forwards.
McTominay put up another good performance

Frankly speaking, the partizan team cannot even compete in League 3 based on this type performance.

Their playing style is formless, just like United.
We are lucky our strikers are better in terms of finishing, bar Rashford who should at least put 3 away instead of the one he put in.

loveikan 09-11-2019 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moscowblue (Post 10025084)
Frankly speaking, the partizan team cannot even compete in League 3 based on this type performance.

Their playing style is formless, just like United.
We are lucky our strikers are better in terms of finishing, bar Rashford who should at least put 3 away instead of the one he put in.

Agreed on the opposing team.
I felt it was a training for the 3 forwards, can assess and further improve their understanding of each other.

lenghan 09-11-2019 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moscowblue (Post 10025084)
Frankly speaking, the partizan team cannot even compete in League 3 based on this type performance.

Their playing style is formless, just like United.
We are lucky our strikers are better in terms of finishing, bar Rashford who should at least put 3 away instead of the one he put in.

It has been said that Rashford scores great goals but he is not in the league of great goal scorer yet

lenghan 10-11-2019 03:25 PM

Looking at the current league table is pretty gloomy if we lose tonight. Defeat will mean we could possibly remain at 15th position. Week in, week out we will continue to be in the danger of relegation zone unless we are able to grind out successive victories since the positions from 8th position to 15th are just one victory separating.

KeeHuat 10-11-2019 10:41 PM

Man Utd: De Gea; Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Williams; McTominay, Fred; James, Andreas, Rashford; Martial.

Subs: Romero, Jones, Rojo, Mata, Lingard, Garner, Greenwood.

Liang_Zai 10-11-2019 11:39 PM

What a poor game and martial machiam non existence. We need to buck up

Liang_Zai 11-11-2019 12:54 AM

We should have been more clinical n trash brighton and improve our goal difference.nevertheless 3points in the bag

KeeHuat 11-11-2019 01:04 AM

Rashford needs to improve his conversion rate. He misses too many chances. Our defence with high balls is a worry. But at least we got 3 points today.

lenghan 11-11-2019 01:12 AM

I like the way they "woke up" when Brighton pulled a goal back. The way we hit back with the quick goal was great and yes, MR should have put us in a much more comfortable position had he not missed a sitter.
But at least in the 2nd half, we see some fighting spirit in our lads.
Hope SM is not too seriously injured towards the end of the game

BBP604 11-11-2019 01:13 AM

We had a good game.
Was particular impressed with the midfield control compared to we started in earlier games.
Have to improve on our finishing in goals.
Lost too many valuables goal difference.
B.Williams can take over the old Young anytime.

lenghan 11-11-2019 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBP604 (Post 10025102)
We had a good game.
Was particular impressed with the midfield control compared to we started in earlier games.
Have to improve on our finishing in goals.
Lost too many valuables goal difference.
B.Williams can take over the old Young anytime.

Totally agree that it is time for Young to be rested and let Brandon Williams take over. This lad had a great game tonight. Fearless and quick but the only negative is can be abit too robust in his challenges

lenghan 11-11-2019 09:16 AM

Really think the FA should relook VAR.
So many controversies. Seems to favour "certain" teams from losing teams perspective.
Haha..just like when certain referee officiates game, we already know which team would get the worst deal when critical decisions had to be made

KeeHuat 11-11-2019 01:10 PM

Williams can take over the left back spot if he continues to perform the way he has been playing so far. He has the Roy Keane "take no prisoners" attitude and also can't be bullied even though he is young.

The 3 forwards James, Martial and Rashford played well but the finishing to put the ball in the net should improve. Fred is improving. Brighton's keeper played well.

I don't think I saw Lindelöf head the ball at all. Defence needs to improve in clearing high balls into the box. Only defender that is constantly heading the ball is Maguire. We will probably need to get a better centreback to partner Maguire. maybe Tuanzebe or another young player

loveikan 11-11-2019 08:33 PM

Yes. The FA should relook into the VAR.

MCstarted very well until pools scored in the 6min.
Before this goal, there was a hand ball at the other end which the MC players protested.

lenghan 11-11-2019 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveikan (Post 10025122)
Yes. The FA should relook into the VAR.

MCstarted very well until pools scored in the 6min.
Before this goal, there was a hand ball at the other end which the MC players protested.

The first goal should NEVER be allowed to stand. Whether it is handball by Bernado or TAA (which should then be penalty), the game should have been STOPPED.
The VAR rule states very clearly that if the ball is LAST handled by the opposition and thereafter leads to a goal, the goal is NOT COUNTED.
We can see very clearly that the ref (supposed to be the best in the League) did not understand this rule.
If the first goal did not go Liverpool's way, the game could have been different if penalty was given.
The irony is that Klopp would say that TAA was too close to avoid the ball, thus agreeing that the ball did last touched the attacking team that led to goal.
Either way, the game should have either restarted or penalty awarded.
The fact that VAR only argued that TAA touched the ball cos he was in close proximity, that means Oliver is hopelessly wrong.
MC can only view this as yet another decisive decision for Liverpool, but NOTHING can be done now

Anyway, had never liked Oliver to officiate our matches


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