Guidelines: Please review this thread before posting in this forum
 

These are the guidelines and what we will do to keep the forum neat, please try your best to comply with them.

1. Threads in which the topic is not on arowana will be deleted. Chat threads will also be deleted. Any threads that consists of 30% of idle chat will be considered as chat threads regardless of the thread title. The forum mod will hv to gauge this 30%. It is very tedious to single remove individual idle chat postings. Mods will hv the perogative to consider this option but I dun expect them to tie themselves down to doing this tedious work. We do allow some idle chat but not pages and pages of them. If u want to do that, please do it at Chat Forum.

2. Pls dun start a thread on where to buy/find or to look for certain services from LFS/farms/ other hobblysts. If u want to buy/sell or looking for certain services, then post at buy/sell. If u want to know the current price of aros, pls post there too. The aro lfs are always the same few.

3. Please dun use this forum to "update" ur fish that u r posting to sell. Keep this forum relevant and dun use this for indirect advertising. Any offers to buy or sell, pls use the pm function.

4. Please dun start a thread coercing members to go to another website/lfs or to have every of your posts indicating same. We do appreciate sharing but if this "sharing" is on every one of your post, we consider them spam. Pls do not spam others pm to ask them to go elsewhere too. We take this as a hostile act against us and will put you under moderation mode.

5. For updates/pics of your aros, please post at the Arowana Showcase Section.

These are what you can do to make this forum more informative and trim.

Before you start a thread or post anything, ask yourself these questions

1. Is this the correct forum to start this thread ? meaning it is not a cichlid, a guppy, a betta or any species other than arowanas.This section is dedicated solely for arowanas only.

2. Has this topic/question been posted before ? Especially if it's been posted recently ? Some of our members have been here for so long and keep seeing the same questions being asked. It's just so repetitive that you will not get any response to your topic. A readup on what's been posted before will be more fruitful.

3. Is there an existing thread on the same topic ? If there is, please post at an existing thread instead of starting a new thread.

4. If you have a question, give more information like what you have done and what your observations are. This will help other members to help you better. A question like " why my aro don't eat " is much too vague and it could have a thousand reasons from being sick to stress to new environment.

5. If you have an opinion or a comment to pass , make sure they are not hurtful and state your reasons. There is no remedy if you post " your aro looks like shit, no offence ". Surely there is better tact in putting these comments across.

6. If you want to post something that is directed to only a single individual, please use the PM function. Keep those " you have pm " posts out. These are superfluous.

Guidelines governing usage of Gallery
 

There's been so many infringements on our Gallery Guidelines that I think some may not be aware that there are actually some guidelines when you upload pics on to our gallery. Click the gallery and browse thru it. What do you actually make of a gallery in an aquatic website that have pictures of handphones, electrical appliances, bicycles, your holiday pics, cameras, even tarantulas and many other illegal pets and pornography. There are a host of websites that offers free loading of pics like yahoo, imageshack, photobucket etc. You need only to google to get these webbies. AF has limited server space, so please do your part. From the start, we have been very easy with posting and uploading privileges accorded to members and trust that our members here will not abuse it. I am posting these gallery guidelines here so that no one can have any more excuse that they do not know. Offenders will have their rep points deducted and recalcitrant offenders will have their gallery privileges removed. So please adhere to the guidelines.

Please upload your pics appropriately in their respective galleries as stated.

Category Types of pictures allowed

Arowana Gallery - pics showing Arowanas Only
Misc Aquatic Gallery - pics showing all other varieties of fishes
Tanks & Equipment Gallery - pics showing tanks and aquatic-related items
Arowana Diseases Gallery - showing arowana diseases, illness or operations
Arowana Food Gallery - showing arowana food
Submission for showcase - Pics of Arowanas participating in the current monthly showcase Only

What is not allowed?

1. Non-aquatic pics are strictly not allowed. They will be removed accordingly.(personal pics, cars, dogs, cats, snakes, hamsters, comic books, Non-aquatic travel pics, reptiles etc)
2. Galleries that has one or more pictures that did not follow the guidelines will be removed (remove these and you can put the gallery to public again)
3. If the animal is deemed to be illegal (all kinds of tortoise/turtle except for the red ear slider. Reptiles, salamanders ,frogs etc that are not allowed by AVA will be removed.
4. Images that was partially uploaded/incomplete/offensive/not suitable for children will be removed.
5. Complaints from other members that gallery is not suitable to be posted publicly will also be removed.
6. Porno pics will be deleted and gallery rights removed immediately.

Where should i put my pics?

1. Please see "Category Types of pictures allowed" above
2. Arowana Gallery: The folder thumbnail should show pictures of Arowana(s) or it will be moved to the Misc Aquatic Gallery
3. Gathering of Aquatic hobbyists pics - should be placed in the Misc Gallery
4. Farms and LFS Visits pics
i. Arowana-related - In Arowana Gallery
ii. Others - In Misc Gallery
5. Aquatic articles / diagrams should be posted in the Misc or Tank Setup gallery.
6. For types not mentioned here, it will be at the discretion of the gallery mod.

Guidelines / Rules

1. Gallery moderators have the right to move/hide/remove members' galleries that do not adhere to any of the guidelines stated above. Offenders will be issued a warning & rep points deducted.
2. Repeat offenders will have their gallery access restricted.
3. Periodic checks will be made by gallery mods to check 'old' galleries to ensure guidelines are followed and can be removed if found to be abused.
4. Periodic checks will be made by administrators to check 'private' galleries to ensure guidelines are followed and can be removed if found to be abused.
5. Thumbnails should reflect the 'theme' of the gallery and the section.
6. It will be at the discretion of the gallery moderator to take action on any gallery infringements, even if it is not explicitly stated here.

Sanctioned Activities for arowana related entities
 

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=380527

All activities pertaining to arowanas and it's keeping, eg courses, group buys, auctions, harvesting, farm visits, will henceforth have to be organised under the AFC umbrella. Private individual organised events will not be sanctioned by AF. It undermines the work put in by the club and it creates a conflict of interest between participating farms in AFC and non-participating farms. We will only conduct visits to AFC member farms and only open to AFC members.

If your thread got deleted, that means it has NOT BEEN DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY AF MANAGEMENT. Starting another again and again is pure recalcitrant behaviour. With the formation of AFC, all arowana related activities will be organised by one entity and not as and when each of you like. It undermines the efforts of the club and brings everything back to square one with everyone doing their own things.

I can accept people not joining the club, but to run a alternative event on your own, on this same very platform, is NO GO. Especially if you do not have the basic courtesy to even ask us for permission

Trips to all member farms will be arranged in due course.

At least you came out and cleared the air. Previously my thread was deleted without any notice. I pmed atom and he also dunno why it was deleted, and so I posted again... Sorry for the misunderstanding. Didnt' know that it has caused some unhappy feelings amongst the AFC people. My apologies once again.

But still does it warrant a zapping of my rep from 224 to 100????

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I shouldn't even be explaining. It is already there. You simply didn't read.

And, No it doesn't warrant zapping to 100. I am sorry. It was my mistake. My apologies. It should be zero.

You have a strange sense of humour but nonetheless, funny :D

Hope AFC enjoys the same success as this website, which has been around since I joined the aro keeping fratenity.

ALL THE BEST!

Does it include disallowing posting pictures taken at non participating farms?

I guess you meant "sanctioned " right?



And what about oversea's farm visit arrangement and photos taken by fellow hobbyist or non AFC members?

Maybe should consider giving some window period for such events to materialise ...

Just my suggestion.

Sorry , te more i read te more confuse i get . Look like die die must be a AFC member to be save. I better reconsider .

Pics are no problem. It can be from anywhere but activities will be organised by AFC.

I meant not sanctioned, meaning we won't support non-paticipating farm visits. Again pics are not a problem, overseas or local.

Everyone has a choice but we will support participating farms. Otherwise, there won't be any reason for farms to join and everyone will do their own activities. In that case, might as well remain status quo and not do any club, organise anything.

At the risk of being repetitive, AFC doesn't belong to me, or AF and is a non-profit organisation. I would gladly have a better man, better team take over. And AF will continue to support it's efforts.

John now te way u explain i read i feel better. I support all clubs or activities abt arowana te first day i come into tis trade. Te problem here is that some member here want activities and they start a tread i support te idea. If AFC feel that they can handle te farm visit than just go into te tread and take over from there. I believe more ppl will respect AFC tis way than just take away te tread and zap ppl . AFC need support from everyone . Ppl u like ppl u do not like , as long as they are arowana lovers. Than everyone can come together and enjoy tis hobbists and share. I will still support AFC even i do not know wat they can achieve in the future .

U have ur reasons, I have mine. I won't say I am 100% right. I may be wrong and there may be a better way but until the day someone is in my shoes, then only he can tell me where I was wrong. Third party criticism is always easy. I have never criticise farms or for that matter, anyone doing their own business. Some say Red is Red, Gold is Gold. Some give fanciful names to their aros. It is their individual way of doing their business. I do not tell others how to go about doing their job and I ask that others respect the way I do my job.

I dunno what AFC can achieve in future too. However, there is a vision and it is spelt out. I won't be running the show forever. In fact, highly possible just one year to kick start it. At the next AGM, I sincerely hope a better man take charge and on the part of AF, we will continue to support it.

U take up a post than u do a good job. We are all learning including me . We can only grow if we accept wat ppl say . Change urself first b4 u wat others to change. It is such a early stage of AFC and u give tis type of comments. Do u have any responsiblity towards those who give support to te club. U want ppl to show respect to AF or AFC than those who r in charge here must show respect to members too . Ppl make other ppl happy when they feel happy too. Just a share of my thoughts here. U can ignore me but r u going to ignore te rest. Cheers.

I have been more than polite to you but dun take my kindness as weakness.

I dunno who is behind this nick. Derrick or Koji but let me say this to you. I do not tell you how to do your job. And u do not tell me how to do mine. This is my final word to you. I am willing to risk having one member or two member less if you insist to dictate how I do my job.

btw I never wanted to change anyone. It is none of my business, so please do not put words into my mouth. And in return, I ask that others do not change me.

John i m derrick . The same feeling goes to those member here when their been zap or ask to do things in not a very nice manner. If members feel a need to voice out u as a owner or Senior Mod must give ppl a chances to voice out. I will like to follow the rules here if ppl do it politely and fair. I know i m busy body here or risk ban by u but te motor here is share thru knowledge . I m just sharing. Y not start a poll n see te result .
Tks n have a nice day . See u later .

You come to my house, You follow my rules. Simple as that. If u cannot follow, the door is right up there. I dunno what motor u r talking about but we dun run on motors, engines and what not. Start what poll ? Start a poll to see if I do this for non-profit, fund the site, do the activities and then let u dictate my actions ? Can I go to Pang Long and tell u, the pond cannot be here ..... u must dig one hole there ....... the name cannot call Pang Long ..... it sounds like put condom ..... can i say all these to you and tell you to change ? No, right ...... You do ur things ur way, I do my things my way ....... and that's the bottomline.

Dun like zap .... there are plenty of websites that dun have this ..... AF is not exclusive .... go where it suits you ....

Hi my 2 big "aro-brothers" ....

I think it's just a matter of viewing the same subject and having different approach on it ,that all.

Well, just like a half empty glass of water be interpreted as half filled glass of water to others.

Hopefully both of you could meet up in person ,have coffee and discuss some views on the subject rather than debating its outcome here.

Sounds not so good leh...

Our main objective here is to learn and share, whether in pang long or af.

Wish that there could be an opportunity to work things out in an amicable way that both could accept.(compromised approach)

Understand John's frustration when being approach with such comments.And also understand Derrick's view on the way his customers are being treated ......well to me " Live is short , just enjoy it whilst we can ".

Hope i'm not a busy body to give my views here and don't zapp me hor .:D:D

Cheers and good-day to all.

Simon

Hi Bro Nomis, in my opinion you are never a bz-body. What you said is very true... different people different perception and views. Life is taxing, let's enjoy while we can, at times we got to apply the coffin theories....

This thread seems a bit sensitive, and believe lots of bros wanted to say something but worrying being zapped or accidentally write a wrong thing and being zap :) Just came to know Bro jwhtan (Barney) is the 'tai kor' and he calls the shot here... First of all, thanks to you Bro jwhtan for this wonderful website for all of us sharing experience and knowledges.. much more an education website to aro hobbyists. Sitting right up there never an easy job furthermore it's a npo. Salute you! This is a big family.. a big family tends to have some naughty or rascals (no intention referring to anyone), so being the founder/dad cum captain of the ship, just don't be distracted, maintain our bp is utmost important...

Thanks and Regards...

Hi simon, you are not a busy body. I have to say that bcos I'm going to be the next one.:D How's my HB doing in your pond?

Just to clarify that this is just a personal posting and no pun intended but simply sharing views only.

I'm a re-visit (return to share and learn from all nice bros/sis here) and just like you (Derrick) last time had a different views from Barney on his action. But I have learnt to understanding and respect of the owner's right and diffculty in maintaining his house rules. I will follow the house rule of AF as well as PL if I visit any of them. Both of you are right in your respective point of view but please do respect one another difficulty in handling the issue too. I have learnt to understand more about the onwer's difficulty in handling issue eventhough I may not be fully agreed with the action taken at times but still one has to respect the decision make by the owner.

I foresee that there will be more changes coming its way in AF soon in view of the setting up of AFC.

I love AF for it's intense knolwedge base and this is build up by none other than the MEMBERS. Not forgeting the hardworks from the Mods team. We are all here to share and progress. Good Day.:)

Sorry me young bird here but isn`t this Tread more like a FAQ for==>( Sanctioned Activities for arowana related entities) tread rather den a disscussion about barney and PL?.;)

*FAQ,e.g"Does it include disallowing posting pictures taken at non participating farms?"from LG..

Cheers...

What bro john has done works for errand trouble makers who is out to create trouble in AF, but to execute death sentence to someone who happens to be not that savvy about forum, is like a tyrant judge sentencing a accused to death sentence for petty theft. Too harsh. It just creates too much tension among a forum. I agree that there are many who visit this thread and kept back from saying their words for fear of kena zapped to zero.

It took me 4 years to build up my rep power and pts to 224. And all it took was a wrong posting and it became zero. Not that I care much about the rep system, but this is not the first time it has happened. I even pm one of the mod, and he replied that if the thread was deleted by jwhtan, " then there is nothing he can do to help." Kinda reminds me of LKY system of garment. Hitler management aka tyrant ruler, that's what it is.

I am also a member of other forum, but AF is definitely one of the most non-forgiving forum. One wrong mistake and you could be banned.

Personally, I felt that if a thread was started due to non-conformance to AF rules, then It should be deleted, and a pm sent to the starter to inform him of his wrongdoing. And if he still persists to post such thread, then he deserved to be zapped and banned. For me, I thought the thread was deleted due to technical error or connection error, and so I posted a second thread. And this caused all the misunderstanding and me kena zapped to zero. How many members actually read all the fine prints under forum rules and guidelines? Some truely does, whereas most just follow general forum do's and don'ts. That still doesn't warrant a "death sentence".

I hope to see a new management of AF in future. Maybe a poll to see who should or should not be moderating team. No pun intended.....

Were u banned ? No

Were u zapped to zero from the onset ? No

It wasn't ONE wrong posting. It was 3 threads from you, one from R0bert. I didn't say anything, never penalise you, never zap you, never infract you. I just quietly delete it. When ur thread is deleted each time, u start another one. It is to me, recalcitrant.

I have nothing against any farm, Pang Long or anybody else. It is not about what or who I like or dislike. But all arowana related activities has to be centralised. Should I not put my foot down, when AFC organise visit to Farm A, there will be no stopping Farm B from organising an open house. It'll be chaos. When AFC organise talk on Product A, Product B will organise another talk. What do I do ? Let all hell break loose. I do mine, U do yours ?

U can call me whatever u want. Sticks and stones. I am used to this.

U want a poll. Go start one. Ask " Should jwhtan be evicted from AF ". Go and test ur theory on how many people think like you. I'll be happy to walk away from it all should you be able to substantiate this.

Transparent/Public poll.

btw I just had a meeting and lunch with Pang Long.

Whatever I do, nothing is personal.

To be fair to the team of AFC, they put in their hardwork to setup the club, running the club and trying to improve our aro hobby interest. So all aro-related activities should be under AFC's care and dun organise here.
At least respect the AFC team. Give them a pm or a call if got any suggestion, I believe the team will be able to help or at least look into it.

I totally agree when you mentioned that organised have to be sanctioned by AFC. The reason why the second thread reappear was because I thought there was a technical error somehow. If you have quietly deleted it and pm me about the infraction, I would have stopped totally! But my side of the story was as such, believe it or not. Even the mod dun know how to answer to my missing thread queries, and thats why I posted again second time. I very much wanted to pm john, but there was no way of me to reach him via pm or other means. I did it thru atom. Many members pmed me and requested me to post details again.

I do not blatantly post repeated post that have been deleted due to conflict of interest. I have already spoken my case, and I personally felt that john did a great job to delete my thread, but at least inform me my mistake and refrain from posting repeated threads. Dun whip and dun tell why, or tell later to the whole world.

Bro John, if you feel that I have not spoken well enough, you can call me at and we talk over phone. I do not want the entire AF community to think otherwise about me. It was with a goodwill that I ask for people to accompany me to farm to look see at aros, never realised that it would become like this now. But its ok, we still move on with our lives. No harm done each other.

We are not customer service. We do not pm members to tell them their mistake. You think we should. And I can understand why. But no, we will not do that. And u won't understand why and u won't even try to understand why. Like you, when we start this forum, all we wanted was to chat with our friends and other like-minded people. Today, we dun get to enjoy that anymore. We become customer service. Our job is to make other people happy. Should they not follow the guidelines, we must spoonfeed them. We must tell them. Our time at the forum is no longer for chatting with our frens anymore. Our time is to make strangers happy. We become prostitutes. Customer Service Prostitutes. Every day w/o fail, there will be someone doing exactly what we tell them not. We say " stop whining abt being zapped " and they say " those who zap me, blah blah blah ". So we just delete these posts away. They post " I want to sell my PNT " ..... And so we just delete them away. What ? We must pm you to tell you cannot sell PNT, cannot sell araipaima, stop whining abt rep points ? Sorry, the mods here are not your customer service officer. When ur thread gets deleted, think ..... why did my thread get deleted. Something must be wrong and go read the guidelines to see what has gone wrong. Dun expect to be spoonfed unless u want us to treat like u a baby.

If that's how you want to run your forum, I rest my case. Let my case be a wake up call, cum reminder to other members who are like me. Pls learn from my mistake and read all the guidelines and fine prints before you post anything here.

Well said.wether you intentionally ,unintentionary or accidentally beat red light and was caught by the camera.you still have to face the penalty .

For me AF as not exactly a public place where all strangers have equal rights and they can behave as they like.

Rather it's a cozy homely place of familiar faces, where friends offer their hospitality and aquatic knowledge.

The practicalities of running a forum relatively peacefully and protected from undesirable elements require certain rules. The reasons of which cannot be understood unless you are in Admin's shoes.

Those who think of being able to be in AF as a privilege, rather than a right, will have a lot less problems fitting in.

May I remind all members to go through this thread before posting in Arowana Discussion. If your thread/ post goes missing, it is probably the post had something that isn't in line with the guidelines. Please review before posting similar stuff again. Below is a short summary.

1) Do not post buy/ sell thread in this part of the discussion board. "Where to buy, where to sell, where to find, check price" are considered buy/ sell.

2) If you've come across a good deal and is dying to share it with fellow hobbyist, do it in the "arowana spotted". Again, that is just a sharing thread. Don't be too pushy in your post.

3) Try to be as constructive as possible in your post. "Thanks for sharing" is not constructive.

4) Keep in topic within the threads. Topics which are not arowana related will be removed.

5) Do a search before opening new threads. This forum is so informative that I'm sure many answers can be found from searching.

6) Be as descriptive as possible in your thread title. "Helppppp!!!" is not a good title.

7) Members are kindly requested to refrain from posting threads in relation to Panda Aquatic Centre.
refer to: http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=403072

8) Do not post about untagged asian arowanas in this forum.
Untagged asian arowanas are considered illegal by AVA and posts regarding untagged asian arowanas will be deleted.
If you're not sure if its tagged or not, ask the source from where you got the fish from. We do not support keeping untagged arowanas.

To understand more about tags and certification of captive bred arowana, read under "Conservation" in the following link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_arowana

Remember to go through post #31 before opening new thread.

Guide to title threads in Arowana Discussion
 

In order to keep the Arowana Discussion section neat and free from marketing activities, please refer to the following set of guidelines to properly title new threads.

In the title of threads, it is acceptable to

1. credit the farm that bred the fish
2. name the strain of the fish, provided it is listed on the certificate as well

It is not acceptable to

1. include the name of the shop you bought the fish from
2. include a branding which is not listed on the arowana's certificate
3. include the name of the shop owner/ boss/ salesperson/ agent

EXAMPLE: Gold arowana from ABC farm with a strain name of "XYZ Gold" bought from Mr Johnny Tan of 123 pet shop.

What is OK?

• Take a look at my ABC XYZ Gold!!
• My XYZ Gold from ABC farm!!

What is not OK and considered as SPAM/marketing?

Take a look at my 123 Gold
My XYZ Gold from 123 shop!
My gold from 123 rocks! Mr Johnny Tan Rocks more!!

Threads not titled according to guidelines will be edited/removed without prior notice.
Guidelines subjected to changes.
The admins and moderators' decision is final.